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ma you can't go to the supreme court until the supreme court is not any right to review your policies and these people can't even have lawyers. that was interesting to me because ted olson was only person who lost and that high ranking bush of mr. ship-to-ship collection lost someone, his wife was on board one of those flights. and so i called him and said i want to do this story. i did a story and i couldn't let it go. it was a really audacious thing they're doing. it was a controversial thing that they did. there was a lot of people who believed at the time that the country was not ready, and more importantly, the supreme court wasn't ready. i described in the book this one scene where they planned this lawsuit in secret and they finally kind of let in, they invited some of the lawyers who had been working on this issue
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for many, many years. they let him in on the plan and it was like, it was that rob reiner's house. rob reiner was part of this group that thought the loss of their juice and sugar and getting the funding to bring the lawsuit. the lawyers were, you know, you don't know how to count to five. one of the lawyers threw down this document on the dining table and said, if you do this, if you go forward with this, you know, we're going, this dossier on ted olson and every conservative yankee champion, we'll take it to me. the guy who was the arctic cat of office, a young political consultant, his name is chad griffin, not that of the human rights campaign, the largest group in the world. but at the time was sort of operatives out of a hollywood
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and was cutting his teeth in the clinton white house. his business partner, christina, together they were really the ones that came up with this idea, said do it. that's great. because if someone like this as conservative as ted olson is going to take this cause on, that has really the potential to change the conversation. so we, once i started following this i wanted to know. i got to know the four plaintiffs and the lawsuit and wanted to know how this would all turn out for them. >> how in the world did you get -- one of the amazing things about the book is how close you are with all the major characters in the book. how did you get that access to? >> i went to them after i done a story and i said, you know, writing a book, it's, yeah, scary to be honest. it's a big endeavor. sigh kind of set the bar really
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high. thinking that they would probably say no and i would be kind of off the hook. are you still having -- sorry about that. so anyhow, he -- is this better? okay. we could do that. that's much better. i forgot where we were. how did i get the access. i went to them and i said look, i would really like to do this book. i'd like to follow it, the case, all the way through. you would have to, i would have to be in the room. i would have to be there as the lawyers are debating strategy to out have to be there with the plaintiff when they wake up and tried to court. i would have to be in the political war room because this case, it was litigation but it was also this accompanying
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public education campaign, and a political campaign. i want to be in the war room. my colleagues are being pitched on stories. i thought that they would say no because it's a kind of a crazy thing. if any of you are lawyers out there, you know that privilege could be waived, lawyer client privilege. i was in the midst of all this. didn't do a lot of the fanfare announcement and i agreed of course, the only condition was that i was not going to publish before the case had resolved itself. that was it, the only condition. nobody had the right to preview or veto. and so you sort of asked yourself why, why did these people agree to that? and the answer is, actually, you become if you think back right now looks like people, they were there to have you give some
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critique of the book, the greater glory of this group that brought the case. but if you go back at the time, there were only two states that allow to marriage equality, the majority of the country was supposed. and so these guys could have been the people that invited me, a reporter, and a film crew because it was also an hbo document tree that came out today, in to document how through hubris and ignorance they set back the movement. no one had any idea how this would turn out, but the lessons of harvey milk, the first, harvey milk in san francisco, i hope some of you saw the movie, milk, but harvey milk lesson was come out and tell your story. telling your story matters. telling your story can change minds. an


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